New version of Magic!

[markcole]

Just spotted there's a new version of 'Magic' as a 13th track on "Count to Ten" on the German iTunes!! Listened to the 30sec clip and it's a brand new recording with light percussion and glockenspiel! Sounds gorgeous!! :) I Want it!! But can't. :(

/M

[Farguss]

Great news!

..if we will can download it as happened for Strong Man! ^_^

[markcole]

Also I've just noticed the Germans get a version of 'Undone' I've not heard before as an extra track on In The Red. 30sec clip of that sounds good too!

/M

[Farguss]

Uff.. i hate a lot of different version of the same song for different States.

How a fan can have every version for himself?

[Geof]

It would appear that someone in Tina's organization is very much into releasing these frustrating multiple versions, knowing full well that the casual music buyer won't care but the diehard fan-collector—for example, people who come to a forum to post their feelings—will be compelled to buy the same album over and over just to get one song from each. It seems rather greedy and cynical, but what other reason could there be? The unfortunate Tour EPs situation is another example; I would like to think the lovely and talented Ms. Dico herself isn't aware of how frustrating these practices are to her most devoted of fans, but on the other hand, if she approves every decision, well...

The discography here is rather out-of-date in regards specifically to In the Red; it only lists the basic original album, with no mention whatsoever of the bonus track on itunes or even more surprisingly, the reissue with the extra CD; In the U.S. it has eleven live cuts and also includes two bonus tracks listed as In the Red b-sides, "When You're Away" and "Lost In Art." I don't know if these were included everywhere else or were exclusive to this country's pressing.

Perhaps someone super-knowledgeable here in the Forum could post an updated In the Red discography addendum (and it appears Count To Ten might need it as well if it's released in similar different versions), listing all the known variations from each country so we have a better idea what her management is hoping that 'we-who-love-Tina-and-must-own-everything' will re-purchase time and time again...:rolleyes:

[Daneska]

Hey Geof

I've made a new thread with Tina's discography (http://www.tinadico.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5575&posted=1#post5575). There you can probably find an answer to your "In the Red" question. ;)

[Geof]

Hey Geof

I've made a new thread with Tina's discography (http://www.tinadico.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5575&posted=1#post5575). There you can probably find an answer to your "In the Red" question. ;)

Thanks Daneska! Wow, have you put a LOT of work in here...I know I'm a 'newbie' and only discovered (and fell in love with!) Tina after hearing Zero 7's "Home" and seeing her on Jimmy Kimmel's show performing it, but I am now a diehard fan and collector and have a lot of catching up to do. I ordered the first two CDs from Amazon.uk, as well as the Euro pressing of Count To Ten because I don't want to wait for the U.S. version.

Now I have to comb through your insanely detailed listings and find out what b-sides and rarities i have to start hunting down...but hey, I've been a music collector all my life, and a lot of the fun is the game of the hunt! Again, thanks.

[SkiSwope]

I think part of the motivation behind releasing different versions of a single track is an attempt to find one that will gain some radio traction. From a marketing standpoint, that seems a much more believable objective then trying to get our small group of diehard fans to re-purchase the same music over and over. That's the purpose of live albums and greatest hits compilations with one or two new tracks are for.

If it were available to the US market, I'd happily buy a studio version of Magic simply because I'd like a crisp, well-produced recording over the Live version I have.

There are also different mixes for different moods. For instance, I prefer the ITR version of Break of Day, but I like the Stellar Polaris Allstars Remix in a playlist of down-tempo electronic music (among the likes of Everything But the Girl, Massive Attack, Portishead, Morcheeba, Moby, and Thievery Corporation).

That particular remix of Break of Day may have also been an attempt to reach out to Tina's Zero 7 fans.

Personally, I also find it fascinating to get a little peak behind the curtain of the creative process. There are so many ways a song can go. And you can witness a singer evolve over time. Just consider when popular rock groups release acoustic versions of their hits (for example, I'm especially thinking of the MTV Unplugged performances of Nirvana and Alanis Morissette which were vastly different from their studio albums but were incredible performances nonetheless.

my too sense. ;)
ski

[Walrus]

Geez...and they wonder why people aren't buying music. :rolleyes:

I love Tina and her music, but this is just ridiculous. I feel like no matter where or how I buy an album anymore, regardless of the artist, it's inevitable that it's going to be incomplete and missing some weird bonus track that's on some other version, so I end up not buying much anymore.

I would be really interested in a vinyl release of CTT, but I'm not holding my breath, although I have seen more obscure albums being released that way lately.

[Geof]

Yeah, Walrus, I'm totally with you. I love supporting an artist whose work I admire, but as mentioned in my earlier post, I see these reissued editions and download-only bonus cuts as a way to get people to re-purchase something they already own to get one additional song. SkiSwoop, I don't think adding a bonus track to itunes in Germany has anything whatsoever to do with radio. The 'push cuts' like "On the Run" are sent to radio as promo CD singles and increasingly also just offered to stations as downloads. The fact that there's an extra bonus track attached to the full-length album doesn't figure into radio's narrow playlists at all.

Also repeating myself—sorry, it's a bad habit when I get worked up about something that strikes me as ridiculous, not to mention somewhat fan-unfriendly—the casual fan who just heard the hit track on the radio or saw the artist perform it on some TV show will just either buy that song individually, or buy the album, totally unaware and unconcerned that there's an extra track. It's the very fans such as ourselves that KNOW about these tracks and then either drive ourselves to the poorhouse or nuthouse in attempting to obtain them...

I miss the old days of the 80s and 90s when these stray leftover tracks would be used as CD-single b-sides so everyone who wanted them—and in a physical, full-fidelity format—could buy them. Now we either do without these songs we know are out there, or re-buy an album we already have to get one song, and if it's a download, in only MP3 quality. And, even then, only if we're in the correct itunes country where it's offered.

My head is gonna explode...

I don't know who, how or why "Strong Man" wound up being generously offered here to us fans to download, but if the same can be done for both "Magic" and the alternate version of "Undone," it will make many of us quite happy and maintain the sanity...

And if Tina or anyone in her camp is reading this, a collection of these odd tracks and others like her fantastic version of David Crosby's "Triad" would make a nice CD set of rarities of live, acoustic, b-sides, remixes, radio performances, etc. somewhere down the road so that the many fans with no legit way to purchase these tracks can do so.

One can only dream.

[Daneska]

There could be another explanation to the extra stuff (or bonus stuff) put on re-releases... Have you guys ever experienced making a product (being an essay, painting etc.) and later on making further adjustments or supplements to it??? Well, maybe Tina would like to add a little extra when she re-releases some of her products because she finds that she improves the product, or simply because she customizes the re-release to a new market, which she's about to enter (USA, Germany, UK...).

Anyway, she DOES listen to her fans and takes their concerns into consideration! When the re-release of ITR came out with a whole extra bonus cd (a live recording from a concert in Copenhagen), she had been reading the Danish Forum and the concerns from her fans about re-purchasing the album just to get this extra material. What did she do, then? Well, at the following Denmark Tour she told the audiences at EVERY SHOW that the bonus cd had been put out for download on a P2P file sharing Internet site - she mentioned the address several times with a little cough in between. :eek: :cool:

[Carichu]

What did she do, then? Well, at the following Denmark Tour she told the audiences at EVERY SHOW that the bonus cd had been put out for download on a P2P file sharing Internet site - she mentioned the address several times with a little cough in between. :eek: :cool:

Yeah that's one of the reason of why she is gorgeous!!! :cool: